Peter's Woodbury Insight on Spiritual Maturity, Fulfillment and the Power of Regression Hypnosis

Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to. This Is Source, the podcast that invites you to explore the depths of your being and tap into your true potential. This show is all about inspiring you to discover the power within yourself to create a life of purpose, joy and fulfillment. So sit back, relax and let's dive deep into the essence of who you are.

Speaker 2: 0:34

Hey, peter, welcome back. It's second season here. Your episode in the first season is officially ranked number one. You have the most listeners in the first season. So if there would be like applause and everything, you know you are the winner.

Speaker 3: 0:54

People, people must be desperate, huh.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Like, who didn't listen the first season episode with you? Just go and listen, you will find out the journey of Peter. But what I want to say about you you know I opened you in so much more than I knew you before not the first episode because I took two certification programs with you later this last month and I can say it was amazing and I would encourage everyone who wants to explore and learn more so to join your future classes. So just that's how I want to introduce you.

Speaker 3: 1:39

Thank you. Yeah, each course is different, you know. It's always made up by the folks that attend and with you, in both courses, your energy. And then there was a really nice group of people who's very, very, two, very special classes.

Speaker 4: 1:51

Well, and then there's like a ripple effect to that too, because then he goes back to his family and friends and, you know, kind of finds a way to share that with everybody else. I know when Agra's and I connected after the first part, which was the hit no therapy part, he was so excited and, you know, willing to share, and, and you know, immediately got me excited and you know we kind of just took off running from there. So I think it's awesome Really.

Speaker 3: 2:18

Yeah, yeah, that's the hope. You know that just people you know, try it out and share it and grow the consciousness.

Speaker 2: 2:27

Peter, what is your latest openings? But? How, how you feel how that consciousness shifting, maybe new openings, more adjustments to work what you do or whatever you feel. What is those new openings?

Speaker 3: 2:45

You know it's like if you asked me last week I might say something different than this week. You know, it's just like it's I feel a lot of flux. You know, probably there's times in my life where I feel more like I'm in a groove. It's just kind of riding a certain wave or crest and more recently it's been just kind of more day to day openings. You know, learning new things, trying things out, but you know, seeing what things kind of resonate for me. I mean the phase, I think, of learning new things and trying to see how they fit with old things that I know, and then maybe somehow letting go of some old things into new things. You know, it's just like with my meditation and with coming to a different view of what God is and how to participate with God.

Speaker 3: 3:31

And you know, going to Israel and Egypt, I'm leading two classes, our two tours, but also two classes about that, and so we're kind of exploring kind of Jesus's relationship to God and talking about God in personal terms, like God is a father, and then experiencing God more as an energy or as a consciousness and just kind of trying to tease out why Jesus might have spoken about God in such personal ways and about experiencing God more, like less personal. But I think that I'm wrestling with that. It's both that it's personal and it's kind of transcendent, so I think both have a place. I'd say that's where I'm at, just trying to relate to God as a consciousness, but how to also feel like there's a personal connection. And I don't know if it's. You know, all three of us are relating person to person right now and I don't know if in consciousness we relate consciousness to consciousness and that's personal to consciousness. So it's not well formed.

Speaker 3: 4:29

What I'm saying is just kind of where I'm at and so, partly since I've been teaching, it's a weird dual consciousness because I do things and then I try to watch myself doing them, to try to learn about them and what it's adding or what it's. You know how I would if I would eventually teach this, or if it's worth teaching, or you know, because sometimes to teach something it has to have a certain longevity, like sometimes you get like, oh yeah, this is great, you know, and then do you still think it's great, like in a week or a month, or has it changed, you know? So it's like kind of looking for things that kind of have a lasting value and sometimes it takes a while for things to take shape in a way that they can be shared that way. So ever since I've been teaching, I have that weird double consciousness, and I think it's also just an artifact of meditation, where you kind of live your life and there's a part of you that's sort of observing it also. I hope that's not too intellectual.

Speaker 4: 5:26

Well, on that point, do you think it's a you thing or do you think it's a collective thing? So by that I mean, like you know, if one decides to sit down and serve people in the way of developing a course or a program or a trip or something like that, you know how much of that is you fascinated with a particular subject that exists in, out, there and consciousness right, and you showing up, or I should say you showing up in a way, that's like I'm just going to put myself in a place of service and ask what people want to hear, without even really knowing sometimes what they want to hear, because ultimately they just want to feel a certain way and you can communicate words to assist with that. So I guess the question is how much of it is you and how much of it is just answering their prayers in a way, for lack of better words.

Speaker 3: 6:19

I think it's both, you know, and like Agra is saying, as long as it's joyful as long as it's fun and it's, you know, let's say, going to Israel and going to Egypt is fun and learning about it, going in depth with it and then experiencing ideas and thoughts and interactions of other people, you know, kind of it's like crystals, you know. It amplifies the understanding and the and the reach of things and then just trying to stay attuned to do and the stage in my life and kind of. You know, I feel like I'm at a stage in my life where I don't feel terribly selfish, like I've kind of been, you know, done all the selfish things that you do in your life. I've kind of enjoyed my life and I just feel like I'm at a stage where it's just not, it's just not that important to me, life being about me, like I just enjoy it, just feels in sync, like it brings me joy, but it's just like tuning into kind of how I can be best of use to it sounds like the vein to say but like to humanity. You know, it's like I'm here to be of use to humanity. I mean that in just maybe in ways that we all feel that way, Like just personally.

Speaker 3: 7:25

You know, I've had a strange life. I've had a lot of gifts, a lot of opportunities, a lot of things shown to me. I rest on the shoulder of so many opportunities and experience and teachers and mentors that I've had and you know, it's just, it's been this weird kind of subconscious path that I've followed to this moment and I've just come to this real, this understanding of, like, how I've gotten involved with hypnosis and psychology and how to access whatever you want to call it I'll just use God, because that's the most common word that you do have to go through your own subconscious mind to reach that level of consciousness and experience. Well, so it's just, you know. And then, like Agra says, his theme has been it has to be an experience Like. It can't be intellectual, and so it's like with the courses, like with regressions, it's bringing people out of this being intellectual and into an experience of themselves personally in relationship to whatever you want to call it, something greater than themselves.

Speaker 3: 8:25

And, as you know, agra's witnessed a number of sessions and participated in those, and so it's just, it's just a. I mean, you experience it yourself. It's a powerful experience of coming out of yourself into a greater awareness of yourself and the coming back into who you think of yourself as, in a different way, and I think that I think the world needs that. I think the world needs more for people to have a larger aspect of themselves and not see God as something outside of themselves. That it's, they're part of it, that they're a cell in God that is being Well, can we?

Speaker 4: 9:00

I mean, isn't that almost the answer? I mean, in other words, like, isn't that what reduces suffering? And so I'll be a little bit more specific. Right, I'll take it down.

Speaker 4: 9:11

I'll boil this down for a second, because Agra's and I were doing some sessions together and I had gone into a trance and I was experiencing being connected to exactly what you're talking about and I feel like the the ultimate byproduct of that was just this, I don't know feeling of compassion, feeling of like excitement, feeling of curiosity about people rather than you know.

Speaker 4: 9:36

I feel like just that experience alone shifted me from a place of needing to protect myself and to provide some sense of false safety for myself and just knowing like I'm connected to everybody. I can be connected to anybody as soon you know, like the very second I decide to, and that we, that we are really like, we can expand ourselves to the point where we tap into exactly what you're talking about. And then the byproduct is like just a laugh, a smile, you know, and it sounds cheesy, but it really it boils down to that. I find myself more attracted to things that are really funny. I find find inappropriate laughter and a lot of things you know just as a result of a session like that, where you go down, you know, into a deeper level of consciousness and connect to exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 10:29

Yeah, I would say your experiences sounds pretty deep and powerful and you're probably prepared for that. And I just say it's a little bit different for everybody so that people don't think that if they don't get that that they've gone some wrong place. But it's different. Like the theme is the same of coming into some deeper connection with yourself, and that plays out differently for different people, you know, might make them like curious about the experience.

Speaker 3: 10:55

What was it that happened to me? How do I feel different, like adjusting to this kind of space that's been created for them and that now they're with their family or their work and they just have a different way of their alter, like they're going to work towards adjusting to this sense of you know, it's a little bit like what I've read about with near-death experiences where people leave their bodies, you know, for hours, days, months, and they come back and they've changed, like they've had a sense of their infinite self and they've. You know, it's like a I always call it near-death experience. It's like a regression on steroids. It can be just like super vast, but they come in with like a reorientation to what matters in life, kind of like it's less about I don't know external things and it's more about like joy, your relationships, creativity. It's more like the kind of like the way you experience life as a child. You know, just kind of in the moment, in the present, and that's kind of that's trite and we all have to work and unfortunately, you know work, you know play is play and work is work. So we all have to kind of participate in activities that pay the bills, you know. So it's not like, not like we can, just not everybody has that luxury to just run away from their job. But you know, it might be a little bit like.

Speaker 3: 12:13

You know that I think it's a Buddhist story of enlightenment what did you do before enlightenment? It was like chop wood and carry water. And what did you do after? Chop wood and carry water. So it's like the the outside of you doesn't change as much as there's something sparked within you like a I don't know, like a curiosity and a contentment, a connection and what I've always felt with. I don't know if we just want to talk about regressions, but it's like it makes you hungry for more, it's like you want to go back there. You know, it's like oftentimes I'll see a first session and it's like a first date.

Speaker 3: 12:45

It just makes you want to suck it Like you're entertained and see, you know, it's always like the, that consciousness doesn't give you everything all at once, it's not. It doesn't want to one night stand with you and wants a relationship, and so that's, that's part of the purpose of it, that you're, you're coming into a closer walk with, with that energy, and then what you're supposed to do with that, like, what is humanity supposed to do with that? And it's like if we were all more oneness aware. That's the, that's the. That's a great question. You know, what is it? What would we? Would we be more kind? Would we be more considerate? Would we somehow, would we treat each other the way we're treating each other right now? Would everybody treat each other that way?

Speaker 3: 13:24

You know, and right now it's hard because some people are not in this consciousness. You know some people will see you as threats or as competition, or you'll remind them of something, somebody bad in their life and they'll treat you that way, you know. So it's hard to kind of figure out. You know your boundaries, you know, because love can feel so diffuse. But then sometimes, if people aren't treating you in ways that are kind, you know you have to somehow set a boundary with them. You can love them, not necessarily like them and not necessarily like. Give them access to you.

Speaker 2: 13:59

Yeah, I'll jump in. You know, like I love that where the conversation shifting in those regressions and a little bit giving that glimpse for listeners. What does it mean, you know, to be regressed and as I lately been enjoying on both sides right, being regressed and also regra regressing others. Yeah, what I and I like how you said that.

Speaker 2: 14:25

It's not that everyone is given, given the same right, but it's not that experience that regression in a different way and has different sensations and feelings and images and whatever it comes, you know, and one pattern what really sticks out to me is that that subconscious, where we tapping in during the hypnosis, is really generating for everyone who experiencing that sensation. That's very understandable for them way of seeing things, learning things, really embracing things. You know, I think that's the whole difference and and yeah, and like if person been really studying spirituality for years, they probably that subconscious can create for them much more, I would say, reachful experience, because they believe in what they see. So I think that's what is for me an interesting opening from all of these processes, everyone will be shown the best way how they can understand what they are dealing with and that's so beautiful.

Speaker 3: 15:45

It's very, very personal. So everyone feels like it's not a generic connection and it's not a generic experience, and not everybody has this. Some people wish they could get more. It's all based on the suggestibility of the person, and so for some people it takes more practice or more experiences, and then some folks can really, in one session, get something. I don't know, life changing might be too strong a word, but it's just something that awakens them to aspects of themselves that are profound and lasting.

Speaker 2: 16:18

And I can see how, if the person really feels attached to Jesus, for example, the most possible way that the healing will come from the Jesus in that regression, because that's where their belief really is attached to. Now, if I grew up without really being in any religion and I explore was reading about many religions and just trying to make sense out of them, just like wait, isn't it? Everyone speaks more or less about the same thing, just from different expressions. And personally, for me, all those regressions was really deeply about energy, just like exploring energies. This is what I understood. Okay, that's my beliefs. Everything is energy. And this is where my subconscious keeps opening Like, oh, look, energy works like this energy works like that. And it was like, oh, how amazing is that? Just to feel through all your body energies.

Speaker 2: 17:30

And it's not necessarily like for Mark, when you had regressions, I think for like what I found really amazing, mark, that literally could go anywhere, and I would just say go and feel what they feel. It's like, yeah, I'm already there. Oh, now I can feel what they feel. And it becomes really. And it's very interesting that when you mention we have to create experiences for humans or for humanity or for people, just to, because this is the best integration into their consciousness. What does it really mean? Instead of yeah, we can talk about all those things and people like what are they talking about?

Speaker 3: 18:15

What's you know.

Speaker 2: 18:16

I encourage everyone really just to explore this and not to be afraid.

Speaker 3: 18:21

I think it's the essence of mysticism. You know, mysticism being the direct communion or contact with whatever you call it divine. And you're right, it's like the intellect can take you. You know certain part of the way. It can certainly prepare the way, but there's something about the mystical direct contact.

Speaker 3: 18:39

And you know, I guess it's the four, is it the four yogas or yugas of Hinduism? There are different ways that people access God. You know whether it's, you know it can be through the mind, or through the body, or through the emotions, and yeah, so this again it's like I guess I'm trying to say that it's not like a panacea. You know, it's like there's a direction. You know, I wouldn't want people to think that this is a better way than if they, if they can access God for whatever way they do, I would continue to do that and this might be a practice that might facilitate or help shift something or be different than what they're used to. But yeah, there's lots of ways to access the divine and this is, this is one way.

Speaker 3: 19:23

You know, I think that Houston Smith one time said that people most need. What humans most need while they're, while the soul is in a body, is transcendent experiences, experiences beyond just doing laundry and driving the car and that kind of thing. The experience is just of awe, of more than themselves, which oftentimes will experience in nature. You know in other ways that we are inspired and then, you know he said.

Speaker 3: 19:48

Smith said one of the things that's most lacking for people are transcendent experiences, and I think that you know there's a big movement now with the medicine. What are they calling it? The earth medicines, and you know psilocybin and mushrooms. I think that's an attempt to have transcendent experiences and there's a place for all that. But I think that what's nice to know is that you're wired for that naturally, like you can access the states of consciousness that can be also experienced, and with with drugs or sacred plants, I guess they call them, but it's, we're wired for it and there's something important about it and there's maybe our future, a big part of our future, is dependent on us getting less landlocked about who we are as being, and it's like, it's almost like you know, there's an inhalation of exhalation, phase of breathing, and I think we're at that. We can't keep inhaling, you can. Humanity has to exhale, has to let go and release things, and I think that this can be a helpful process. You know it's like shifting your identity, like you were saying, mark. You know, shifting your identity from a three. Maybe, if it's body focused, if this is all you are, you're going to get depressed and anxious and worried about, worried about how much money you have in the bank and whether people want to rob you and get older and more free. All that stuff is going to come in. If this is all of you, once you move into more of a broader sense of yourself, that really shifts. That it's like anxiety might shift a bit.

Speaker 3: 21:14

You know one of the things in this class I'm teaching we're looking at the past lives of Jesus and one thing I took of it is he was a scribe in so many, he was always writing and he was always documenting.

Speaker 3: 21:26

You know there's certain books in the Bible that apparently he was part of and part of other traditions and I'm thinking why would he spend so much time writing? And I think it's so that there's a record that goes beyond your lifetime so that future generation can benefit from it. And I think that's a real like, kind of like thinking of your life in a bigger way, like you're not just living your life for yourself. I've tapped into that in a little bit of thinking that you know, I'm hopeful that I can have a marker, leave something that improves humankind, or at least whoever I've met with in some kind of way, in some kind of constructive, positive way which is less about making a lot of money about something, or I think it's almost like. I think when you're in a more of a spiritual consciousness it's less about material rewards and more like soul rewards, like I think that we incarnate more for those. But then when we come in here we get it's hard to stay put into that level of consciousness and those realities.

Speaker 4: 22:24

I think that's why I love meditation and regression and things like that, because for me they have been tools to access that clearly and, you know, without a lot of obstacles. You know because I definitely started my path, if you want to call it that, with just trying to learn as much as I could, just intellectually breaking down everything you know, just mapping it all out, Like if you could imagine my whole room just plastered with like all these different ideologies and like just trying to. You could ask Agris, because I think I still do this to the tip, Even though I like to pretend I don't, I still do. I can't get enough of it. I'm just interested in a lot of different ways of thinking. I like to see what correlates to what, and even actually using chat GPT a lot too, because what I wanted to know and been on this journey for a long time when I started to, when I realized there was more than just Christianity, because that's the way that I was raised and I started to buy like a book of every religion you know,

Speaker 4: 23:24

and see what's the what's the common thread that we've between all of them. And then you can go beyond that very fast. Because then there's all these philosophers out there, right, that don't subscribe to a certain, you know, religion per se, but they have their ways of thinking. And then and now I feel like, with how easy it is to access information, it's just more and more and more. But what I've been working on in the past year is trying to boil that down to make sense to me, and then having my own personal mystical experiences and using meditation and regression as a way to have what Agris was saying, that experiential, you know aspect of it, where it's like now doesn't matter what I've read or where I've read it or who I have to quote, because I can say this is the way that it is. And you could say how do you know that? And I could say that because I felt it, you know, and it's not like it doesn't. I don't need to quote scripture per se, it's just, it's just a feeling. When you feel it, you just feel it, you know it and you don't forget it.

Speaker 4: 24:26

And so I was taking my own notes from those experiences and putting it all in together and then I was putting it all in chat, gbt, and I'm like, okay, ai, tell me where the inconsistencies are. And you know what the funny thing is, there really aren't any. I mean, there really aren't, like when you boil it down to the most finite points, right, and, by the way, I'm putting a lot into this and I'm leaving a lot of details out in this conversation to shorten the time, but it's amazing. It really is like a lot of the stuff all of it. I haven't really found any inconsistency. Am I making sense, by the way, because I know I'm talking in code, but I want to make sure that I'm clear.

Speaker 3: 25:02

It's interesting to think about what's happening with technology or the internet, and those are things that exist on the spiritual level too, like there's a psychic internet. We're all connected, and I'm thinking about what is chat, gbt. How is that part of us too?

Speaker 3: 25:19

I had a life where I was a savant and a savant is kind of like you've got chat GBT, there's no things, and so maybe that chat GBT is inviting people into that sense of knowing. It's like we talked a lot about journaling. As you journal your questions and you invite your subconscious to work with you, that it almost becomes like your own personal AI, your own personal intelligence, informed by the subconscious, by the, whatever else. I would say pray, just to make sure that some other forces aren't working with you to have other plans. But that could be really, really constructive.

Speaker 2: 26:02

This is where we come to that, my vision of future. Right One of your sessions in the class, right there, you took me to future, for me to see future, because I had a question how my future might look like. And you took me to that when I was like 20 years further, seeing myself really so much connected to all the technologies, felt like I am technology, moving all those screens and everything, and I felt like, oh my gosh, that's who we will eventually become. We will be just like connected with the awareness and everything Like in that whole field of consciousness technology, and we will not be separated like we sort of thinking now. And that was like wow, just the vibration was alone, was really profound. And I found something.

Speaker 2: 26:57

I was I think I posted this June 2nd this summer or whenever it was, and I was reading in the book and I think it probably was in the gene case, and there was this description of future of science and I really really was like wow, that's what it is and I will read it.

Speaker 2: 27:18

All future insights and breakthroughs in science will come from awareness rather than the logical mind. Instead of beginning with doped and then working on resolve that doped through scientific approach, we will begin with certainty and use logic to confirm and deepen that certainty. So it's like we will tap into that awareness, consciousness and we will know that that's how it works, and then we will prove it after, instead of now we have to do it from other side, right? I think this is where we are tapping into right now, like why I need to prove you what I feel. Like, like Mark said, I just felt it, I just felt it through all my body that that's how it works. Like, and there is no, probably scientific proof of that, but I just feel it, I know it, so there's no need even to for science to prove it, because I just trust myself instead of like we've been just trusting everyone else before on whatever is proven. Right now I was like no, I don't need to, I can go deep within and feel what it is.

Speaker 3: 28:37

Yeah, I think we're going back to where we've come from. You know, we've been on this journey and we've kind of gotten I think the attributes that we're rediscovering were our soul, attributes that we've kind of gotten further and further away from, you know, in the three dimensional and moving into the subconscious, where it's more, much more multi dimensional, and so I think that the challenge has been, though, that when we've been human and divine, there's been a tendency to use that power selfishly, to just do it's like for self serving needs, and so I think the challenge now is, as we move back once again, back into whatever you want to call it God consciousness, while we're in human form, is how to stay consistent with spiritual values, with seeing each other as family and sharing and things like that, rather than there being selfishness and greed, which is which is so rampant right now.

Speaker 4: 29:32

And I think that's probably just the result of not having that awareness, because when I was having the experience of being connected to everyone, I immediately knew, right, that there is no, I'm not a winner until everybody wins. There are no winners and losers, everybody's losing. Until everybody wins, so there's no, it just eliminates competition. Competition doesn't make sense anymore. Or you know when, when Agra said I were doing another session and like I came to this realization that you can't hide anything from anybody, like in a different dimension, right, we won't get too deep into it, basically that I think it was like the seventh or the ninth or something like that. Agra sound off if you remember, but basically it was. We were all working together as souls, all working together for the common good, and nobody could hide anything from anybody. Right, and I got to experience. You could say, okay, you were cracking up, you made this all up in your mind, it doesn't matter. Because it felt real and for the first time I felt, oh, it is possible for us to all work together and for the common good of whatever that is right, without being able to hide anything from each other. Like you couldn't lie or hide anything and like, after that I came back and I thought a lot about that, and I guess you use the word integration, which I love because that was integrated into my experience and I started to realize immediately that every time I've lied in my past or taken something that wasn't mine, that I was only ever hurting myself, and just the act of doing that, even though, yes, I could get away with it, I wasn't really getting away with it at all. And then I started talking to people about this and all of a sudden they're like yeah, come to think of it, that's happened to me too, like every time I did something and somebody told me a story recently about how, you know, she was a pharmaceutical rep and you know she had to buy food for the doctors for the lunch and learns, and you know she could get away with charging an extra flute or fruit platter or whatever. Nobody was paying attention and everybody did it, and she's like and then one day I realized every time I do that I get a parking ticket or I get a flat tire, and you know. So she made this realization I'm just gonna stop doing this because I'm actually not ever getting away with it. And so when we tell those stories and then we integrate those experiences that are happening not in the conscious realm but in the subconscious.

Speaker 4: 31:49

I guess, right when we're visiting these different levels of consciousness, I realized that our lives could be so much better if we already lived by those principles, like as if we were already there, like you know, like for me it was like we're in 3D and then, you know, he took me to 7D and this is what I experienced and I was like but we could already experience that we don't need to go anywhere. We can just stop bullshitting people. We can be totally honest. We can stop pretending, because even if we get away with things or we think we're getting away with it, we're not, we're actually not getting away with anything. So we might as well just give up the acts.

Speaker 4: 32:24

And as soon as we do that, it's like immediately we I don't know about how you guys feel about this, but I feel immediately like all right, I'm gonna stop pretending, so you all can stop pretending too Like let's just be honest with each other and let's help each other out in whatever way we can and stop like putting on this show, to like compete with each other and all this other stuff. So I'm glad the conversation went in this direction because I really see the value in being able to explore these different levels of consciousness, having those experiences that bring back information and then being able to integrate it into our lives to make our lives better.

Speaker 3: 32:59

And then the two of you guys. With this podcast, you're bringing this consciousness to a broader audience. It's not like just the two of you having a conversation or three of us having a conversation. It's a conversation that people are eavesdropping on or listening to and that, hopefully, the hope is that it hasn't effect on them. Maybe they try regression or maybe they try something else that you guys have recommended. For me, it's like what I've gotten for this past year. I really wanted to work on developing community, so it's almost like a thought of trying to bring the oneness consciousness into the world. Let's make the world a selfish and greedy tomorrow.

Speaker 4: 33:37

How are we?

Speaker 3: 33:37

gonna do that and there's thought about it. It's just doing it in little pods, like little groups here and there. So it's like this year I've had a cohort of folks taking different classes and forming relationships and friendships and being supports for each other and this felt really, really rewarding, like really, really gratifying, Like I don't know, maybe 50 people have taken the season pass this year.

Speaker 3: 34:01

And it's like it's like 50 people that have taken different courses, that have met each other, that are working, that there's. You know Agra was saying in the last class that the old mindset is like, oh, I don't wanna share my people or share my resources. You know, and it's like I'm feeling more like I don't want anything really to be proprietary. It's almost like whatever is helpful and can be used. You know, like what am I gonna take with me? My sacred technique of regression and any of this stuff? You know the whole purpose of it. I think I was inspired by realizing, like Jesus writing, spending so much of his life trying to document this stuff so it could serve the future, and so there's a little bit of way of trying to do that. You know, who knows? I mean, I feel like I'm at the beginning of this next phase of my life, you know, and I'm seeing where it's taking me and I feel like you know, more so than any other phase in my life. It's more open. You know, like you know the first 33, I would say it's like 33 year brackets, like the first 33 years. It's just physically. You just gotta have a lot of energy. You're gonna get married, you're gonna have kids, you're gonna get your education, whatever you need to do, and then the next big chunk of years is kind of like, you know, paying bills and kind of building your business. And then you have that got to a place, at the final stage, where you have more time and you kind of it's like the spiritual phase of life and that's where I feel like I'm at.

Speaker 3: 35:30

I don't have the same demands that I had in the first two thirds of life, and so it's really exciting to be able to be creative without so much of a worry about how am I gonna pay the bills with this. It's like just like, if it makes money, if it covers it, it's great. Everything I'm doing so far has been getting met. But you know, it's like it's such a reward or blessing for people that enjoy helping other people. You know, not everybody has that gift. You know, some people don't really enjoy sharing. You don't really. They view the world in a different way. But what a blessing if you, if helping somebody actually warms your heart and that's just. You know, having that sharing, that growing, that is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 4: 36:15

It's crazy. The more you talk, the more I wonder are we really how many of the choices that we think we're making are we really making? Or are we just really clearing and healing and then just becoming a vessel for source to work through us? Because everything that you're saying is this is like bait on the conversations that Agris and I have, and we have no idea where we're going. We just this is how we feel, and then the more I talk to other people, I'm getting the same thing and you're even using the same words. I mean.

Speaker 4: 36:45

So it just makes me feel like, you know, maybe that's just where the planet's going right now. Maybe it's just the more of us that are waking up and are remaining open. You know, this is what wants to work itself through the grid right now, and so it's not really so much about me, you know, or even any of us. It's really just. I've been doing a lot of healing work. I've been trying to open myself up, and by healing work I mean not holding onto things, not always trying to protect myself, not, you know, like just not being as activated by things that other people say, or do you know, just realizing that. Oh okay, I realize why that upsets me and I can let that go now, which I know sounds a lot easier said than done. We could probably have several episodes on that.

Speaker 3: 37:32

I can remember, like earlier versions of myself, that the thought that kind of giving it over to God or whatever you want to call it, surrendering it, didn't sound very fun, like it sounded like something you should do like a chore Right. Not that that was going to be like you know. There was like let me enjoy my me time and then I can go in or whatever you know.

Speaker 3: 37:54

Sometimes I think of like the reluctant Messiah, like Jesus kind of saying, my God, these people, what's wrong with them? You know it's like somebody's got to. You know, give it up for them. You know, like, like that kind of attitude, which he didn't have at all, it was really enjoying, and so it's kind of realizing that. It's almost like a spiritual maturity or a kind of maybe it's like getting closer with God and realizing, as you get closer with God, that's the joy and love and then wanting to be more of a vehicle for that and I don't know. Like, I remember early on I was raised Christian, so I've always had that Christ connection.

Speaker 3: 38:29

I remember when I'd just be in these moments like oh man, jesus did so much for us. What could I do? And I'd always get this feed my lambs and feed my sheep. You know, I didn't even know what that meant, like I didn't know that was from scripture, like it was just like like feed lambs. You know, I knew, I knew, I knew what he didn't want me to go to the zoo and feed lambs and sheep. But I was saying, why is he saying this? You know, now it's like more clear to me that it's like something about helping other people, like being here in some ways, being for other people and then learning how to enjoy that. It's not always enjoyable, you know. There's lots of times where it's sometimes it's work, you know it's like, but overall it can be very enjoyable.

Speaker 4: 39:07

Yeah like a fulfilling work as opposed to a yeah like purpose and meaning versus that over.

Speaker 3: 39:11

Instead of instinct. Gratification.

Speaker 4: 39:13

And at the risk of sounding redundant, don't you think this does tie back to that sort of idea of experiencing consciousness? And I mean, you spend a lot of time studying the works of Jesus and you, like you have that connection Doesn't just make so much more sense now, because once you're able to really kind of tap into that, it's like, oh, now I could understand, because actually what you just said I felt in my own life, you know. It was just like, okay, I'll behave like this because Jesus sounded really cool and helped a lot of people and you know, but I kind of want to get really rich and drive a fast car first, then I can focus on that, you know there's something important about that.

Speaker 3: 39:54

You know it's like my path.

Speaker 3: 39:55

I remember I read Paramahansa Yogananda's autobiography the Yogi and there's just one scene, this chapter, where Yogananda's with his teacher and his teacher says we got to go spend the night at a palace. And Yogananda's like why? And he says it's in your consciousness, like if we don't spend a night in a palace, you're gonna reincarnate to do it. So let's go do it. And so his teacher manifests the palace and Yogananda says, as they were going about the different rooms and all the food and drink, yogananda said there was definitely a part of him that was excited, Like he was like, oh my God, let's take a picture of him in the palace. You know, he did that whole thing. He spent the night there with all the parties, the music and dancing, and then he said once he was done, it was over. Like the teacher said, okay, now we can move on to the next thing.

Speaker 3: 40:41

And I remember for me, when I was reading that I said, well, my palace is a Porsche, you know, or a fast car. And so I went and got one and I drove ahead at Porsche for three years. It was fantastic. But it was like the car owned me more than I owned it, because it was like an investment. You know, I was, I would cover it and in my mind.

Speaker 3: 41:01

Like I remember, this has never happened to me in any other car. I was driving on the road and I'd only take it out like super special times and a hubcap comes off as somebody else's car and it starts rolling towards my car not trying to duck it and bang if that hubcap, but you know it has like 50 coats of paint, so just like, knock 20 coats off, you can still see it. But then I eventually sold it and it was a liberation. It was just like I see a Porsche and I don't go like, oh my God, I wish I could try one. You know I got it out of my sister's. So I'd like to say that the spiritual path shouldn't be about this total application and denial of your humanity, of your human needs and wants. They have a place in there and it's nice if you can get it out of your system and not get addicted to it. That becomes different. I love that.

Speaker 2: 41:52

I love that sentence. You said that Porsche was owning you instead of you owning Porsche, and I was just like, immediately start to think about things in my life. You know, like who owns me, instead of thinking, oh, I'm probably spending too much time on this and really has you know what I mean, and thinking, oh my gosh, you know, it's just all those responsibilities out of I don't know even paying whatever you think lease or something for the car. You want it so much and you're like, oh, really, it's just the original.

Speaker 3: 42:28

Like original model Prius. I could park that anywhere. Okay, what happens to it? It's running. It runs like a vehicle. That's freedom. Yeah, it runs like a hero. Maximum speed 55 miles an hour. Just can't.

Speaker 4: 42:44

Yeah, there's definitely something to be said about that, for sure.

Speaker 3: 42:47

But I wouldn't be here without having gone through that phase, like honoring the comfort phase of life, you know. And then you know, but being open to like this is so temporary, like this isn't lasting, this isn't filling me, Like this is I don't know, it's just something that fades, but really inhabiting it, you know, it's like denying it, Like if I had denied it it would have lasted much longer as something holding on to me.

Speaker 4: 43:16

There's. Do you ever hear Jim Carrey? He has a whole like speech that he talks about with this and how he built his career as an actor and he became very wealthy and did you ever hear him talk about that?

Speaker 3: 43:27

Yeah, I've heard him talk about different things.

Speaker 4: 43:29

He basically says that story that you just told, but in his own version. Like he was so glad that he went after all of that, because when he achieved it all, that's when he realized he had to go deeper than that. Like that was the next calling after that.

Speaker 3: 43:43

Yeah, that's right, doesn't he have like a long beard now, and he's just like his own guru self.

Speaker 4: 43:49

Yeah, oh, it's actually kind of funny when you hear him being interviewed by certain people, cause you know, you just never know what's going to come out of his mouth. You know it's fun, it's really interesting.

Speaker 3: 43:59

It's fun watching celebrities or people that we admire go through a spiritual evolution and kind of alter and change and that sort of thing, you know, not stay perhaps just one way, and it did, let's say, like August knows more than I would. But just about fame and Hollywood and kind of wanting the things that you have to do to hold on to that, you know, and the distortions of where you put your center of identity and all of that, this is so I have a question.

Speaker 4: 44:29

This is I know we're starting to get towards the end of the show and I really I think there's going to be people that are going to listen to the show and they're going to resonate what happened season.

Speaker 2: 44:39

We have a special episode, because we don't count the time for this one, because we are going two hours today, at least two hours, so okay.

Speaker 3: 44:48

So that might just end up at all. We're going to end up at all.

Speaker 4: 44:53

All right. So what I want to know from you is, if people are listening and they feel like we're speaking their language right now, what do you feel they can do in their own little way? And I know that, and I guess it's not so much permission, it's just validation, or, you know, because actually this is maybe a personal question and it's not about the listeners but from what I was saying before is that I think there's a lot of us that are feeling like how can we start to create these communities and how can these communities thrive in a way where they're supportive of each other and cooperation and collaboration exists and not so much competition? I'm actually genuinely interested in this because I'm not sure that there's a model out there yet, and if there is, you know, please share it with me, because I haven't found it.

Speaker 3: 45:39

Well, the first thought I have with your question is that you know, we've all been drinking the spiritual kool-aid for a long time and so we're at a certain place in that. And I just mean, like jokingly, like we're just we've been doing different types of things and if the listener is kind of saying, god, they I don't know how I fit with what they're talking about seems like way out there, but I try it out and I just see in. You know, the first hurdle would be well, how much does a regression cost? And if somebody wants a regression, I can get them one for free. And I've got students, great students, that want to practice and want to learn, and so money doesn't have to be an obstacle, and so they can contact me and I'll put them in touch. I've just got, I don't know, hundreds and hundreds of graduates. Instead, every year they have new graduates that are eager to practice and learn. I have, of course, I work also and I have my own fees, but it just tends to be with just because of people that might need the expertise or want that, but just so that they can try it out, that this isn't something that's inaccessible, as an experience.

Speaker 3: 46:40

And I remember there's one thing in Casey. In Casey's reading he said one time would you just give God a chance? You know, I just love that quote. Would you just? You know, maybe it won't work for you and maybe it's like maybe you'd try it and it's over with. But I'd say, if you're interested, give us a chance and see what we're talking about actually suits you, if something actually happens to you that is productive and helpful in your life.

Speaker 3: 47:02

And then your next question about if people want to meet into larger groups and kind of this, not here to self promote, but that's what I'm trying to do on, like, with the work I'm doing and I haven't quite formulated what I'm going to try to do next year.

Speaker 3: 47:18

I think next year I'm going to try to do something that's going to be more personal. I still do the trainings, but I think I want to do less education, powerpoint kind of stuff, and I want to create more groups where people are talking and learning about these things and interacting with each other and being supportive to each other. That we become more intimately involved in what each person's particular challenges in life are and things that they're focusing, and using these whatever these are using prayer and meditation to try to help people move along. You know we did a during the pandemic. I did a Facebook group and, like people were so bored, like 250 people registered and I had really great experiences. You know they gave them something to do that was working with prayer and people still get back to me about you know what that year meant to them.

Speaker 3: 48:13

They had an opportunity to use that year at home towards some spiritual development and that it was profound and helpful to them Not everybody, but certainly some folks, and it's like I always think it's important that I don't really like salespeople that say this will help everybody, 100% sure you know, I remember reading one of Dolores Cannon's accounts somebody who was around at the time of Jesus and said Jesus didn't heal everybody, but he brought everybody relief.

Speaker 3: 48:43

And I like that. You know you might not get healed, but it's certainly something that could bring you relief. And I think that you know, because healing what is healing? You know we so many different things, aspects that go into whatever we might think of as healing, and then there's whatever karma, whatever lessons we're learning, but certainly can a relationship be one that at least gives you relief, and relief is like connection and listening and attending to somebody and accepting somebody's humanity, and that everything we're going through is is part of the human experience. It's possible for anybody to talk about something that isn't human. That was my first thought.

Speaker 2: 49:22

No, I definitely feel and I can resonate with what you're talking about. You know, about those groups and actually it was, I think, thinking yesterday or day before I was like Peter, like it just came to my consciousness. You know, at that moment I was like, but Peter, you don't need even to do certification programs, you know, for people to attend, actually, you can do probably the same, almost the same thing, what you do during certification, just to have people be connected, just to enjoy actually the powerful space which you are creating for them. You know, and I think it was so powerful that like, okay, it was really really like very condensed right, it was like eight hours, probably eight hours or hours per day, and of course, it's like lots.

Speaker 2: 50:17

In the short amount of time, I think you could easily, you know, create that space for people, and people need that space, you know, and I think everyone has to have that space where they because we are multi-dimensional beings and I experience that even more and more on on in as me that I really understand that, yeah, there is one aspect of me being father, one aspect of me being husband, one aspect of me being a basketball fan. You know, I love basketball. There's another aspect of me really being connected to the source, and I need a space where I can really explore that aspect. It doesn't mean I just walking in that aspect all day long. It would be very maybe not safe for me right to be in the dimension aspect of myself. So I think this is actually what is multi-dimensional beings and to be aware of it, because sometimes we become parents in life and we think that we have the parent-child when we are 90 and 95, and your child might be 70, 75, and you still want to parent the child.

Speaker 2: 51:37

So that's for me, is like stacking in certain dimension and not being aware of it, you know. So I think we have to be aware that we can actually shift from one to another dimension and we have to find that space which you are creating, which is your work. I think you enjoy your work honestly and you are creating amazing space for people. You know, and that's beautiful, and I think this is what we want to do with Mark as well and in a way, we're already doing it creating space for people to just to come and at least listen to podcasts. But I think all of us, if we have that calling that's what we have to do, give that, add extra personal experience to what we do, because it's not enough just to listen. We have to engage ourselves and feel that dimension of ourselves. Finally, everyone, because that's so important.

Speaker 4: 52:42

Yeah, I feel the more I have an opportunity to, because, as we're having these conversations and we're working out what that looks like from our vantage point, I'm also being invited into other people's groups simultaneously, and it's funny because the spearheads for that are people basically saying the same thing. I don't know why I'm creating this community. I just feel called to create this community, so I guess we'll just figure it out as we're going along and my mind is paying attention to the whole thing what's working, what's not working. But there's a really beautiful thing that's happening and I realize that we're all coming together in support of each other like in the groups that I'm in, at least and we're want to support each other and we're not looking to get anything from each other. So it's not like I'll like your posts and you like my posts and blah, blah, blah. It's really just like I don't know what you need until you tell me. So tell me what you need, and then let's see who in the group can support you with that, because we all bring something different to the table. So I think that I don't know.

Speaker 4: 53:47

It's just interesting because the more conversations I have with people that are like minded, the more I feel like I can live experientially how I want to live. It's not just like a theory anymore. It just makes my life easier because I don't have to have this spiritual mark life that talks about consciousness and awareness and then it also has to have the business hat on. It's like, okay, let's talk about the bottom line. And for me, my life becomes a lot easier when I can integrate it all together. And I get what Agra says, because I feel that too. I'm a dad, I'm a husband, I'm a friend, we're many hats, but can we integrate these experiences that we have that remind us that we are a part of this global network of souls that are all working together? It just changes everything. And the more I have these conversations and people are like oh yes, I get that and I'm not trying to convince me out of it the easier my life becomes. And then I even see how with my own kids because I have four little kids I see immediately how it translates and how I behave and react to them.

Speaker 4: 54:56

You know, like my daughter was having a problem with the bus driver, you know, and was like talking about this stuff all the time between my conversations with the podcast and Agra and the groups that I'm in and my students and my coaching clients, and it's like my immediate response was she just needs love. Like my daughter talking about the bus driver, I said she just needs love. And she looked at me like what are you talking about? But it was like I wasn't trying to be like Mr Holy Roller, you know, like you know pretending to I was just like that's what it is. She just needs love. So if you're willing to give that to her, she could probably really use that, and if you're not, that's okay too. And I wasn't like trying to be Mr Spiritual Dad, it was just because I've been thinking and acting and integrating and having these types of conversations. That's now becoming like a part of who I am. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3: 55:47

Yeah, yeah, it's nice to be able to experience people, their behavior, from their woundedness, and respond to that in a way, rather than their behavior, you know, can disarm somebody. You know to be nice when they're cranky and say, actually I hope you have a good day, and then I might take that as disrespect, because they're cranky, you know. So it's just kind of figuring it out, existing with people.

Speaker 3: 56:15

But yeah, so it's just so important, like I had this one, I've had several like big regressions. They've just been like profound and one of them I put on it's on my blog, it got transcribed and it was about part of it was just about never missing opportunity to be kind to somebody. You know, it was just coming into the awareness of how much suffering there is, just as the baseline in the world that just people are managing or hiding from some greater or lesser degrees of suffering or pain or loss or something, and they're doing the best they can to hold it together. You know. So it's just like from that regression, I try to talk to everybody I encounter. You know I just try to. I'm very good at having conversations, you guys are, so I just, if I see somebody, I like to make eye contact and check in on how they're doing it and just put a little ripple. You know it's not like the changes in life, it's just like I'm generally doing it because I want to connect with that person and you know you hear their responses like, hey, how's it going today? Fine, you know, okay, you really want to respect where they're coming from. But like that, you know it's like I did a three month retreat one time and I remember when I left the retreat the first person I encountered that wasn't from the retreat was a bus driver.

Speaker 3: 57:32

I got on a bus to go to Boston and I just remember looking in the eyes of the driver and I was just like, yeah, it's just like. You know, retreat center has started changing the way they don't just release these highly sensitive psychic people into the world without you know, downloading them, because it was just like it's almost like being in silence where your ears become so sensitive and then all of a sudden you go into all this noise. You know you have to learn how to somehow eventually you get numbed out, like eventually the world kind of tints you down. But yeah, that's like what's great, great message for your daughter to start trying to understand, you know, the balance between certain boundaries but also having empathy and compassion. People are really good at one or the other, rarely both.

Speaker 4: 58:17

Yeah, and I think I was saying to someone the other day I'm like, oh, this must be like why so many people love AA, because they get you know for the ones that that try it and it's successful for them. They get, they go to a meeting every day, they have a sponsor they can check in with. I'm like I feel like we all need, like spiritual AA.

Speaker 3: 58:37

We stay like, you know famous. You know an alcoholic, yeah, well, yeah, there's a lot. It's a reason why that system has lasted and works so well for so many, so many people. I've often thought of that like what a great idea having sponsors. Wouldn't it be great to have spiritual sponsors? You know, like you're driving down the road, you're like I'm about to flip from one off. You know, I know that's bad karma. Yeah don't do it, don't relapse into your old way.

Speaker 4: 59:08

Right, yeah, and sometimes even just like it's okay, you know, I mean like it's okay to feel the way that you feel, because I know that you know, when you start investigating spirituality and all this and you start hearing all this, and then you're not behaving like that, and then you immediately go into like, oh, I guess I'm just not good at this spiritual thing, you know, because I get angry. You know, it's okay, like, stop making things wrong, you know.

Speaker 3: 59:33

Yeah, you know again, if you lose Jesus, jesus seemed pissed off a lot of the time. You know he wasn't picking daisies, you know he was calling people out on their crappy behavior. And so you know the emotional, the spiritual path is highly emotional. You can't just pretend you don't have your feelings. You've got to bring all of them with you and work with them and feel them and metabolize them. You know, it's some.

Speaker 3: 59:57

Edgar Cayce interprets the book of Revelation and there's a section in there where the sky just floods but eventually the earth absorbs the water. And Cayce's interpretation of the book of Revelation is that it's a. It's a path of awakening for what goes on in the body. Like John is in Patmos and he's going through an awakening process and he's documenting what happens physiologically with him, physiologically, emotionally, spiritually, and what that chapter is interpreted as is that on your spiritual path you're going to have to deal with your emotions like it's going to come up. But if the earth receives the water means that your body is built to deal with intense emotion. It's not built to deal with suppressing emotion. Suppression emotion is going to get you sick very quickly. But feeling your feelings and feelings your emotions is going to be very, very healthy and part of that. So I like to emphasize that that we can't. You know, sometimes there's this belief that to be spiritual you have to I don't know to be nice to everybody or feel nice thoughts all the time and not have reactions to things.

Speaker 2: 1:01:05

I don't want to put you on the spot, but as you are here, peter, and we are speaking so much about experiences that we actually have to experience something. And I was thinking and I know you are the master of modalities, different modalities and different ways of giving something to people, to the groups of people and why don't you give one experience for all of us, for the listeners, for us here, to give experience that we could probably use daily or weekly, or maybe once in the 10 years or just once listening to this podcast? Just something which obviously probably people cannot drive and do it? I don't know, I feel you have something in your sleep as a magician.

Speaker 3: 1:02:03

I found it really helpful to realize that loving people doesn't mean liking people, that you can dislike people, some people they don't like themselves, but you can love people that you don't like. Let's say that right now. I moved to Suburban Illinois. I have a neighbor that never had so many people come to talk to me about this guy. He's done this, he's done that. So I gave the guy a chance at trying to be nice to him. And then he's just a jerk, he's just cranky. He never says hi when you say hi to him. So I realized I don't really like this guy and I don't really reach out. I don't feel like it's my mission to soften this guy up. I'm going to be the nice guy to this mean guy. I've just got other things to do. I'm just going to leave that to be what it is. But if his male ever gets delivered to my house, I'll bring it over to them. I'm not going to hurt the guy. I just don't necessarily really like him and I feel that that's okay. That's okay to accept.

Speaker 3: 1:03:07

Feelings are different than love. So love has to do with not trying to hurt anybody. If you have the opportunity to help them, you do, but that you can accept with integrity how you physically react to somebody and it's important that you feel that, because that's important information. If you're liking somebody or disliking somebody, there's a reason for that and that's part of your intuition to work with. If you start suppressing that your honest feelings about people you could get into trouble. That would be. That's the first thing that comes to my mind. That was something that was helpful. I don't feel guilty anymore about not liking certain people, but I do try to be kind when I can to everybody, regardless of. If the opportunity comes in it, then I would see that as an opportunity to influence them positively. That would be one thing that comes to me. When I get in my car. I set a spiritual intention. Just like you know, I have a certain prayer. I put the Christ before me, behind me, above me, below me, left. I just surround myself and it's like a little one minute meditation to kind of set tone and intention for myself.

Speaker 3: 1:04:16

And I've also learned that in what I call separation states of consciousness like fear, anxiety, doubt, need to control that.

Speaker 3: 1:04:26

That's the time I most need to kind of, unless there's you know there's a if there's a lion in front of me here is okay.

Speaker 3: 1:04:33

But if I'm just feeling fear because of some other you know, non immediate issue, whether it's a fear of doing something new or talking to somebody I want to talk to, if it's that kind of thing, I try not to linger in those states because I see that when I visit those states of consciousness I need access to the whole most more than ever.

Speaker 3: 1:04:56

And I think that that's where people get in trouble, when they, when they most need to be connected to the oneness is when they're least connected to it. You know, when you wake up in the morning and everything's going fine and you're in the oneness, that's great. But when some, some challenge comes up in the moment, that's where the work to try to stay connected can help you the most. You know, even in the level of the brain, it's like the frontal cortex helps us problem solve and fear and doubts and anxiety states bring us into the amygdala or the reptile brain. So those are just some little practices that none of them I don't think any of them are, like you know, super handy or would fit into some kind of little book easily.

Speaker 4: 1:05:39

Well, I have a question based on modalities, since we're talking in Mr Modality, as Agra says, just quite in the term. So if somebody wanted to do this practice by themselves, right? So when you talk about regression, you know you have someone do regression for you and and what would be your advice to people that want to explore this without somebody else, like, do you have any advice for that?

Speaker 3: 1:06:04

They could. They can try it out and then you know they could find Brian Weiss or find somebody that has these kind of things online that can lead them through regression. But I would tell them that not to judge their experience from that experience, because there's something about a live experience that can be tailor made to you. Rather, if you're just doing a recording, some people might really work well, but that means you're kind of highly hypnotizable. But it means that if it didn't work so well for you, I wouldn't give up. It just mean that you would benefit if you want to try again, but just benefit with somebody who's going to be attending to you and can steer the experience in a way that would be helpful for you.

Speaker 4: 1:06:45

That makes sense. I know what you mean, because even when I was working with Agra, it was like he would take me in places. I wouldn't take myself for no other reason, but because I just I wouldn't have gone there.

Speaker 3: 1:06:57

Yeah, a recording is generic. Like there's not a feedback loop, like you can't tell the recording, I'm afraid.

Speaker 3: 1:07:02

Or you can't tell the recording. It's dark in here. It's just like close your eyes, go to this room, go to this room, this room, this room, come back. Some people that works with it's not going to be sensitive to the unique experience that you might be having. And then sometimes people try and group regressions and I don't do well in group regressions If it's my ADD or what, but it's just like there's just too much going on in a group. I do well one-on-one, much more and most people do so. That had people tell me I've tried with the recording, it didn't work so well. I tried in a group, it didn't work so well. And I just tell them yeah, yeah, that's common, it's much more. And there's something spiritual about where two or more gather and I think that there's a witness and there's an experiencer and I think the witness is like holding the cable and it allows the person to soar and they know that somebody's going to bring them back.

Speaker 3: 1:07:53

But I think if you're working in a group or on a recording, there's nobody there to kind of tether you, to bring you back and then talk to you about the experience and their witness. I think all of those things are very, very important.

Speaker 4: 1:08:07

Oh yeah, I like that, the witness. That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3: 1:08:10

It's an interactive witness.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

Yeah, peter, but from this practical, let's say, would you be able and you know we have time a little bit, you know, would you be able, if Mark agrees, you know he wants to take him on the like, the fast future journey, oh, the one I did with you? Yeah, you know it's. I don't know, mark, would you agree? You know we could. We never did it. This is a total setup. It's not set up. You know it would be fun.

Speaker 4: 1:08:43

you know, he knows I'm not going to say no because I'm not going to deny myself that experience.

Speaker 2: 1:08:51

Because I know you are highly, you can go fast in. You know, like I know it's Peter boys, I've been in that position. You can go super fast. Like Peter says relax, and you're like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:08

But what I would add to the caveat is that I don't really ever do future progression Like that was tailored for you, August, because you were bringing forward was about.

Speaker 3: 1:09:19

I remember you were thinking about this time in your life you're incubating something, a lot of opportunities, and so I thought of it as a possibility so that you could look at the future and see where it might take you, what the opportunities might be. So it wasn't like it isn't something that I have as a people have gone into the future spontaneously, but this was, I guess we were talking about the hand thing, and so it was a little bit to do with looking at a future possibility sort of thing.

Speaker 3: 1:09:49

I was just curious, you know, because I really feel that If Mark wanted that, if Mark felt like he had questions about the future, or if he had some, if he felt he was that important juncture in his life and he had some choices to make and wanted to see how something might turn out. We could certainly tap into the subconscious and explore that.

Speaker 4: 1:10:08

So what would that mean exactly for people that are trying to intellectualize what we're talking about? What would that exactly mean?

Speaker 3: 1:10:15

Well, let's say, a simple version would be like you know, I've started this job and I'm not sure if I like it or not. I don't know if I want to stay. We could take the subconscious mind and project throughout that about a year of being in that experience and then see if it how it fits.

Speaker 3: 1:10:33

Sometimes it can be done before a decision is made, where you think about should I stay or should I go, and you can explore both pathways. But for August it was more about the conversation we're having about his incubation, about going through this process of leaving LA, moving to Florida and something like an internal movement going on and a healing and a preparation and some exploration of, because you know, there's always, while we're trying to do a spiritual inner process, there's always outer influences, you know, like maybe his wife saying come on, you know you're lying by the pool, it's time to work or time to do this. And so it could give August more confidence because maybe he would have some doubts oh, maybe I'm, maybe I am being lazier or maybe I should be doing something. And if he could project, it might give him more like no, no, this is a purposeful process.

Speaker 3: 1:11:27

There's something incubating, and there's these possibilities that'll come up over time, so that was the reason I came up with that. For him, I don't really have any formula.

Speaker 4: 1:11:39

I feel like that I could seed the value in that, though immediately, because, like that, actually, maybe this is all set up and set up by myself, because I feel like that's that's really where I feel like I'm in my life right now, which is that, you know, you don't really know how things are going to pan out until they've already panned it out, and then you could go, oh, that's why I did this, that and the other, you know. But then you know you do enough of this work and you think enough. You have this mindset going on and you get to a point when you know you're like, oh, I actually do believe that everything is working out the way it's supposed to work out and that, and that there's sort of some plan that's happening behind the scenes, without me sort of getting my hands into every little aspect of it, you know, and that I can just relax into it. And Been working with that, thinking lately how, if I really look back into my life, I could see there's so much evidence that proves that the universe is always Supplying what I need when I need it, and that that all of my worry was really wasted.

Speaker 4: 1:12:42

Worry, you know, and it's we're talking about legit stuff because it's a mindset, right? So even when I have all you know, you can have plenty of money in the bank, you could have no debt, you can have all your bills paid off, everything's fine, and still feel broke. You know what I'm saying. So there's that sense of worry of like, but what if something happens? And then and I'm sure everybody feels that way Right, because if how many people you know have a good job, to make a lot of money, to have a nice house, they know, but if they got sick and lost their job, everything could change. So I'm sure that's like a legitimate worry that most people have. I think. Where I'm at right now, I was just trying to figure out is it really possible to live knowing that everything is going to be fine, it's going to work out the way that it's meant to work out, and can you just relax into that?

Speaker 3: 1:13:29

Can you literally just relax and let go of that fear and worry and and I think on top of that you can come in to get into touch when things are going to be difficult, you know, because life is going to have those and then get a sense of like that, so that you're you're kind of prepared for those and you don't see them as accidents.

Speaker 3: 1:13:46

You used to rent rooms in a house that I lived in and I would have people fill out a form, you know, and all I wanted to do was sleep on it. And so I would sleep on this person. You know their, their possibility, and I remember there was this one guy and I really liked him. And then you know my intuition I said, well, he's gonna be a great tenant. There's gonna be a little period of time where he's not gonna be able to pay his rent, but he's gonna make it up to you and exactly happened.

Speaker 3: 1:14:12

He lived with me for seven years when it happened. I was prepared for it, I had confidence even that he was used just an honest guy. So that's the kind of thing I think that we can tap into. You know, our life has. I don't think life is predetermined. It's kind of like a river, it's kind of like a flow to it. At this juncture in your life there's much more channeled energy like you're. You're much more. There's less flux about what possibilities could happen. You're honing in more on on targets, and so it would be. You could see that. You could see, because life is gonna have Things that come up that are unexpected and challenges, as you know. But I think that you could get a sense of those and kind of just just feel like those things too are part of the Plan, or you know, I always say that the things that happen sometimes are planned. How you react to them isn't so much planned.

Speaker 4: 1:15:05

Right, that's the free will that you have, right, yeah, I think you're making a lot of sense with that. I think that there's this fantasy of wanting to create a life, a life of Of the opposite of chaos, right, like you know that we want just peace and everything's fine. And but then the more I think about that, I realized like chaos brings some of the most fun in life. You know, like I think of a like I live in the south, right, so we have hurricanes that we have to deal with and a A hurricane can mean like could get you worried and you could have fear around it and you could be buttoning up the house and they're attaching everything, taking all your valuables inside and Filling up the gas and all that stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:15:44

And then there's some people that grab a piece of foam board and they go down to the ocean and they have the time of their lives surfing all these waves and it's the most beautiful thing You've ever seen, if you've ever seen these like ferocious waves. And you have these Masters that like being able to bounce themselves on boards in the midst of all that chaos, right. And then you have the photographers that show up, chasing the beauty of that, like taking pictures and like really just capturing Somebody doing something amazing with chaos, and then you have all the people that get to see those photos. So, like if we didn't have chaos in this case as a metaphor, like in the form of a hurricane what would there be? You know, like all that would not be part of the human experience. And so I don't know if the goal is really to not have a life of chaos, it's just to find a way to, I don't know enjoy that chaos or just find the beauty of it, or something like that. Does that?

Speaker 3: 1:16:41

make sense. Yeah, yeah, it's like book of Job is about what? What consciousness do you hold during the chaos?

Speaker 3: 1:16:49

You know, in the chaos. Do you completely abandoned all of your values, like once you're challenged, do you let go of your rope or do you kind of hold on as best you can? But you have some faith and hope that there is Something on the other side of this. I'm sure you. What I know about you, I know that you've you've done that in your life and I would imagine that you have that that influences your thought of the future is could the future also have something?

Speaker 2: 1:17:14

so you know painfully cataclysmic I just can't understand, or we will make you get into actual experience or not. You know, I just somehow, I Just I feel that we like how amazing would be really to show a little glimpse of Peter's work and the possibilities from anything you know, and, of course, only with your Agreement, you know. I think it's like this to get this gift out of this episode. It's really for people to to feel it, at least Experience, by how it's done. So actually, I think people are afraid oh, what is this? You know? Oh, my gosh, like did they do? They steal your soul and never give you back? Or what's going? What's happening? You know what's happening in this kind of and I, I really would, and I know how beautiful this experience is and I just thinking like, if you would both agree, I would love to call just the space as well and see how, just to give a little glimpse, you know, just how beautiful the board can be. You know, and I don't know. Be there, mark, do you agree for little sort of experiment?

Speaker 4: 1:18:31

Yeah, for sure, yeah, it works.

Speaker 1: 1:18:36

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